ms. lamuth would be so proud. (i'm posting this because it's been a pretty standard week--more as things develop, i promise!)
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me: would you say i'm nice?
jonathan: Yes I would
me: really?!
me: i thought you, of all people, would be on my side with this.
jonathan: ?
me: i don't think i'm nice
me: i think i'm friendly and personable and sympathetic at times, but not nice
me: it wouldn't be one of the first words i used to describe myself
jonathan: So how's nice different?
me: i don't know; it just is.
jonathan: SO you've decided you're not nice?
me: you make that sound like it just came out of nowhere
me: see, i showed mark a picture of myself giving the middle finger to the camera, and he asked why.
me: so i said, "why not?"
me: "that's not very nice," said mark.
me: "well, i'm not nice," i responded.
me: but then he said i was, and misty agreed, and...i don't know.
me: i think of niceness as being a constant thing
jonathan: Would you say I'm nice?
me: no
me: and that's not a bad thing
jonathan: Okay. So give the reasons that I'm not nice
me: you are considerate and generous and friendly.
me: i don't know, i guess i just think of niceness as being a sort of...complacency, maybe?
jonathan: Okay. So I'm considerate, generous and friendly and that has nothing to do with being nice. Complacency has to do with being nice, in your opinion. How?
me: i suppose i view "nice" as being constantly pleasant and agreeable and eager to please.
me: to me, nice is all the time. never being unpleasant. it's boring, in my mind.
me: because, although you are considerate, generous, and friendly, you are not constantly any of those things.
me: you have your moments where you fight with thomas or tease me or lancer aliens.
me: that's not "nice," you know?
me: there is a submissiveness to niceness, in my understanding of the word.
jonathan: So you have to be constantly considerate, generous and friendly to be nice?
jonathan: THere's no such thing as being temporarily nice?
me: you have to be constantly considerate of others.
jonathan: You can't be nice in some situations but not others
jonathan: ?
me: i mean, something i do can be nice, say.
me: opening the door for someone is nice
me: but that doesn't necessarily make me a nice person.
me: then again, you guys refer to food as "nice" over here, so maybe i'm having this conversation with the wrong person.
jonathan: Again, you can't possibly be temorarily nice?
jonathan: *temporarily
jonathan: Or nice in some situations only?
me: i mean, if you did a random act of kindness, i would say, "that was really nice of you."
me: i would not say, "you're a really nice person."
jonathan: I'm not referring to random acts. I'm referring to near-constant ones.
me: by my understanding/use of the word, no.
me: i would use a different word.
me: maybe that's it, though. because nice is such a non-descript word.
me: i wouldn't use it ever.
jonathan: Then assume they're using a different word
me: if i were ever to use the word nice, it would have to be to describe someone that didn't have a more outstanding attribute.
jonathan: Was that the problem with Mark calling you nice?
me: no
me: it wasn't a problem, persay
me: i just...i don't know, i don't think i'm nice.
me: i don't think i'm downright mean, either. i just wouldn't ever think of myself as a nice person.
me: so it's sort of strange to think that someone else would think that.
jonathan: So what's stopping you qualifying as being nice?
me: the way i interact with people, i suppose.
me: i tease and joke and am sort of...mean in an affectionate way. and i wouldn't say that's nice.
me: friendly, perhaps, but not nice.
jonathan: Currently you'r interacting with people by volunteering in many different activities, helping look after other peoples' kids, doing work for the Church, and so on
jonathan: Is that not nice?
me: no?
me: i don't know, i wouldn't say it was nice.
jonathan: Why not?
me: firstly because, in this context, i would feel really egotistical saying that.
me: :-P
me: like i said, i wouldn't use that word with any real frequency.
jonathan:
It doesn't matter how egotistical you feel or how often you use the word, It was Mark speaking. :-P
me: i suppose that's mark's prerogative, then.
me: well.
me: that settled nothing.
me: but it killed some time
jonathan: It settled that it's Mark's perogative. :-P
me: i will prerogative you in the face.